Curse

hadenuff · Jul 29, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Pvp dead?? that seems to be a very important question lots of people are asking!

So if not dead there is definately a case of stagnation,local chat abuse and bad feeling built up in the game to an epidemic point i have never so far encountered.

So let me first start off by saying i wont be replying to this post as 90% of the trolls on here are children only looking to argue and point out how wrong everything is in every post , I am a mature gamer of 35 who has played from day 1 , This post is not made to argue with children but is To make a few points to anet

Firstly pvp now seems to favour the "noob" player factor with builds such as iway vimway bloodspike smite and ranger spike , your guaranteed to meet these builds whatever time of day you tomb , they need no basic skill to run and i can agree with the point that "noobs" need to learn to play the game but the problem is some "noobs" never move on (seeing rank 12 iway phoenix from math players ) makes the ranking system a joke gg anet

Im not bitching either because i havent got a phoenix , i have got all my rank 10 fame from playing balanced (mostly monking) kinda slaps you in the face seeing iways higher rank than you clicking buttons not even having to use vent and usually accompannied by the hahahaha raped or gg nubs??? etc crap 14 year old kiddy behaviour w/r mentality (stick to wwf and achne cream guys)

So the point is that run one of maybe 8 or 9 crap builds or get brutalised local chat abused sometimes pmmed with the obligitory hahahah noob for trying to play the game balanced with some skill , 750 SKILLS ANET NO ONE CAN BLOODY USE MORE THAN 100 OF THEM OR TRY ANYTHING NEW.

A point that proves this was last night the dervish assasin repeating strike bug (COPIED BY THE THOUSANDS BTW BECAUSE OF OBSERVER MODE SHOWING EVERYONE WHAT TO RUN AS ALWAYS, NERF OBSERVER MODE TO SHOW ONLY THE FIGHTS FOR CHRIST SAKE NOT ALL THE SKILLS ETC ) within 5 minutes of that getting nerfed around 9pm gmt last night all
the districcts full of making iway/vimway eoe bomb etc back to stagnation same crap diff day, PEOPLE ARE NOT THINKING FOR THEMSELVES IN THIS GAME ANYMORE , THEY JUST FOLLOWING THE CROWD NOOBEST BUILD FOR FAME FARM ,,,

YOU NERF FARMING IN PVE BUT STILL ALLOW FAME FARMING IN PVP , SLIGHTLY RETARDED OR NOT???

It would probably take hours to write down all the injustices within pvp and i really havent got the will to do it anymore , I know its not just me feels this way lots of other friends i talk to are sick of it ( i guess only the fame farmers are happy) Anet basically wanted to make this game like a sport really competetive but we all know that can never be .

maybe its just me being cynical but maybe anet want to drive long standing players out of the game to bring more noobs in as noobs mean more cash for further chapters (which will bring more retarded builds that everyone will stick to ) the game wil never be balanced or policed GUILDWARS ANARCHY FTL AND IF NOTHING CHANGES ACCOUNT SOLD AND WOW FOR ME AND PLENTY OF OTHERS , GG AND GOODNIGHT

Rent · Jul 29, 2006, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Ridiculous case of tl;dr.

lyra_song · Jul 29, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

this thread is gonna get REALLY REALLY bad.

You know i really understand your points, but your method of delivery is gonna get you flamed.

Silent Kitty · Jul 29, 2006, 03:15 PM // 15:15

You are right. The easiest way to the top 10 of the ladder is a noob spike build. This game is that way, because nobody bothers to counter them. Guild Wars should make a rule of some sort, that only two of each profession may compete in the same group of players, unless it's RA.

Across The Battle · Jul 29, 2006, 03:20 PM // 15:20

I agree, you should probably reword your thread so you don't flame everyone who would read it. Proper English and spelling is also appreciated, as well as not using caps lock. Remember caps lock is not cruise control for cool. If you want to prove you are 35 and are a mature gamer, act like it.

As for IWAY and Spike and the such, Everyone knows tombs is a horrible outdated system that invokes usage of the same builds over and over again. This topic has been discussed hundreds of times. What makes your post different then all the others?

kwakkwak · Jul 29, 2006, 03:21 PM // 15:21

I totally agree! Just try and find a normal build these days, you can't find them in HA anymore. You need a guild or a good alliance which pvps allot, and wants to make balanced teams. But what if you dont have it? Yea, then you do some iway, you rush in push some buttons, push tigers fury, push iway when you feel like, then suddenly you see 8 times 20 faction, and seems you won from your eoe bomb for the 100000th time. It just doesnt need skill!! Nerf iway, and more players will start balanced teams, and the fights will be fair and much more fun. another thing why fights are not fair, is that most of the time, one of the two teams fighting against each other have an error 7, and they resign, or just dance why the other team kills them. And yes, MATH is sooo lame, i know you can't like ban MATH or something, but just nerf iway, all those stupid phoenix in MATH, aren't deserved.

Caleb · Jul 29, 2006, 03:25 PM // 15:25

I can't understand why someone with so much to say would be scared to say it under their normal account name?

Why create a new account just for this one post? Don't be scared of the internet.

Kylie Minon · Jul 29, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Ghandi used to say: "Be the change you want to see in the world"

Start a guild, recruit some noobs, teach them how to play balanced and respect sportsmanship and voilá.

shrike98 · Jul 29, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Is it me, or are there far too many abbreviations, leet speak and general lack of clear speach pattern on the message boards these days? Paragraph four made no sense to me at all, I believe the poster was trying to convey dislike for people not being creative with their own builds and utilizing templates, although I could be wrong. Would someone be so kind as to summerize what the poster is complaining about?

D I Z Z O · Jul 29, 2006, 04:12 PM // 16:12

"YOU NERF FARMING IN PVE BUT STILL ALLOW FAME FARMING IN PVP , SLIGHTLY RETARDED OR NOT???"

35 or not why nerf PVE farming in the first place. Its not like it really means anything. Its fun and I enjoy it. Of course theres an "E-conomy" in GW, but if you want more corn in real life you farm it. It may take a while to grown, but you eventually get what you need and how much of it you want. Be it 100 ears or 10,000. Nerfing PVE is sorry, pathetic, lamentable thing ever. Alas you can form an 8 man touch team and everyone can be Balthazaars Heros...

"maybe its just me being cynical but maybe anet want to drive long standing players out of the game to bring more noobs in as noobs mean more cash for further chapters"

This was also the case of Unreal Tournament. The company (or companies) dont care about the people they care about sales and the MONEY. Its simple as that. Thats why when 2k3 & 2k4 came out they put in Bombing run, and Onslaught because it was simliar to all the other FPS games out at the time that were selling out and had 10x the amount of players playing at any given time. In came the waves and waves of newbs & underage kiddies smack talking and moving up the ladders because they played 24-7, used cheats, and had rich parents to foot the bill for their 6mb cable connections (or T-1,T-3s in college). So wonder how us old school players felt when we were overrun and didnt have what it took to compete anymore? Wherever you go its going to be like that. Every game has to expand and the options should be limitless. Therefore you draw in the masses. It just needs to happen in a balanced, logically, financially, mindful way then everyone can go home happy.

kwakkwak · Jul 29, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Alas you can form an 8 man touch team and everyone can be Balthazaars Heros...

This aint true, those teams wil hardly ever win a battle.

And another thing, i think pve isn't nerfed enough. Just an example go to dis 1 elona reach (either american or europe), and see all the bots (Mo/W) running to the right corner of the map, going to the merchant, and after 5 minutes they appear again and so on. I don't see why anet doesnt see this?

JR · Jul 29, 2006, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Sounds like y'all need to GvG. HA has been and probably always will be completely wack in terms of competition.

(As I post this, henchway is holding, lol.)

Kylie Minon · Jul 29, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

Sounds like y'all need to GvG. HA has been and probably always will be completely wack in terms of competition.

How on earth a newbie could learn to play "respectable" builds if the guys playing them well enough wont teach him?

"Join a guild that runs them" or "Observer mode FTW" could be an answer, but many people fail to see and achieve the level of competition on GW... and to be up to the challenge lets face it: unless u are a "natural" you need to practise... a lot, learn not to discourage if you loose time after time and react quickly to situations.

Many wont get to that: not even on a good guild, not even after months on observer mode. They dont have the skills, or the time... or both. They just want to play and win no matter what... and so we have cookie cutter builds that "work" and "make it happen". Look my avatar on the left side of your screen: they want some of the "coolness" and "l33tness".

I'm not saying Anet is evil and puts a pistol on your back forcing you to play those builds... but there's not much of an option really. Is it Anet's fault? Lets see:

- They nerfed IWAY.
- IWAY evolved... adding up Factions skills or slight mods on the build.
- IWAY goes on.

Is rank system flawed? Maybe if it allows this kind of rank farming it is. There is a post on this forum about it so i wont get into that....

About GW not beeing a sportsmanship game i do know that some guild still stick to sportsmanship. I must admit that i played IWAY (Something i truly, deeply regret if it makes you feel a little better) and many times i faced high ranked guilds that kindly suggested me on a PM or local chat not to play IWAY

Curiously, if i answered back asking them if they could teach me to play "like them", or if they knew a guild that could take me as a guest to teach me how to play a better build, there was no response (Or insults just like the ones you received). That tells you something about sportsmanship and good will on some high rank guilds huh?

Ghandi used to say: "Be the change you want to see in the world"...

TheOneMephisto · Jul 29, 2006, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kylie Minon

How on earth a newbie could learn to play "respectable" builds if the guys playing them well enough wont teach him?

"Join a guild that runs them" or "Observer mode FTW" could be an answer, but many people fail to see and achieve the level of competition on GW... and to be up to the challenge lets face it: unless u are a "natural" you need to practise... a lot, learn not to discourage if you loose time after time and react quickly to situations.

Practice like mad. read about how to run them. Get a guild together and start running the builds in lower'level Gvg. Criticise yourself and learn to work better together. Learn about GvG strats. Slowly rise up in playing skill and rank. Maybe get some friends in good guilds and see if you can guest with them for unrateds and such. etc.

Never said it was easy... But how do you think that th best players got so they could play those respectable builds?

Loch · Jul 29, 2006, 06:11 PM // 18:11

Why do people feel compelled to begin whine threads with "Open letter to ANet"?

As for HA, well, lemme say that I had much more fun playing Team Arenas last night than I did playing HA. If you want quality PvP, the only options are TA and GvG.

Vindexus · Jul 29, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Pvp dead??

I actually refuse to read beyond that question because my quick scan warned me of all the caps lock catastrophes to come. So I'll only reply to the question. The answer is no.

kwakkwak · Jul 29, 2006, 08:09 PM // 20:09

then you must have been asleep for the last 5 hours

Z'HA'DUM · Jul 29, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

@ hadenuff: get a life dude

Frantic-Sheep · Jul 29, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

Sounds like y'all need to GvG. HA has been and probably always will be completely wack in terms of competition.

QFT

And its not ANET's fault, its the players

Coin Operated Girl · Jul 29, 2006, 09:07 PM // 21:07

I must say, as sort of an mature player that wants to have quality pvp aswell, that I agree with the guy on a lot of points. Allthough I'm not sure if A: it is something that only has been going on the last x months (I think gimmick builds have been in gw almost from the beginning) and B: its not something u can easlly fix, and a lot of the reasons why not have been named above.

You say you are rank 10 .. would you take an unranked or low ranked in your group to teach him the good stuff? Maybe you would but I experienced that 90% of the high ranked players won't even think of it.
Als un/lowranked player that wants to HA, there are very little ways of having a succesfull run if you are not in a pvp guild or alliance that is willing to help you.

That doesn't mean that I am happy with all the Iway going on .. and I actually like gimmicbuilds like bloodspike and such (wich yes do require a little bit of skill.. I don't know if you have ever been in an unorganised bloodspike.. but if so you should know what I mean)..

one note:I do think you forget that inside a gimmick-build there can be creativity aswell, and thats how a lot of new builds exist.

My advice: move to gvg - Ta and maybe even a bit of AB